[Ncdxf-bod-sub] Navassa Island DXpedtion revised budget and letter of explanation...
Kip Edwards
kedwards at ltol.com
Thu Nov 20 11:28:37 PST 2014
After reading all of the comments, I side with Don on this one and
vote for a grant of $ 30,000.
73 Kip W6SZN
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From: Ncdxf-bod-sub [mailto:ncdxf-bod-sub-bounces at kkn.net] On Behalf Of Don
Greenbaum
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:46 AM
To: ncdxf-bod-sub at kkn.net
Subject: Re: [Ncdxf-bod-sub] Navassa Island DXpedtion revised budget and
letter of explanation...
N1DG votes a grant of $30,000.
As always I will change my vote to match the majority decision.
Don
N1DG
At 12:17 PM 11/20/2014, W6OTC wrote:
> I agree with the following points made by Don:
>
> 1. QSL income (thanks to OQRS) has become more and more
>important to the "most wanted" DXpeditions and has increased
>substantially over the past
>5 or so years, and US hams are the major donors to OQRS. Whatever the
>need in EU/AS, those hams are not major contributors to DXpeditions.
>QSOs for this operation will certainly equal at least 150,000; I
>personally expect 200,000.
> 2. UEE finances are never transparent. I don't know if he
>even gives his own team all the real numbers especially re income. We
>need access to his raw data, particular the geographical distribution
>of OQRS income. That has been half-promised in the past but never
delivered.
>
> I don't agree entirely with the following points made by Don:
>
> 1. EU should give more, especially where the need is greater
>for them than for the US. Yes, but the fact is they do not have a
>history or culture of giving and indeed there is a strong faction in
>Europe (centered in G-land and which we have discussed before) that
>thinks QSLs should be instant and free for all--a view that would
>destroy the economic basis for major DXpeditions. The US does have a
>history and culture of private giving to support public good, hence tax
deductions for charitable giving and the
>existence of the NCDXF. I don't think our lesser contribution will
produce
>a greater contribution from EU. I do think that since we are the big
>dog in Foundation giving, we can and should be more assertive in
>conditioning our grants on more full disclosure of financial results of
DXpeditions we fund,
>at least those above some significant grant level, perhaps $20,000. But
>that is a separate discussion for full implementation (e.g. the
>application needs to be modified).
> 2. This is a Caribbean DXpedition, instead of a Southern Ocean
>or the Pacific one so we should give less. The specific location is
>not controlling for me. The issues are rarity, the cost of the
>DXpedition and the contribution/op. If, as in the past, it was easy to
>get permission to land on KP1 and KP5, we wouldn't be dealing with a
>15-man UEE DXpedition at all. Many small groups would find more
>economic ways to go there frequently. But since UEE is the only one to
>have gotten permission to reactivate these two entities (only once so
>far) we have to deal with him and the idea of rare and large
>DXpeditions instead of frequent and small DXpeditions. To the list of
>likely future DXpetitions that Don lists, we now know from today's
>Daily DX that we can add Palmyra which will have similar problems. I
>still say we deal with each application when it is made, rather than
>let potential future DXpeditions influence what we give now (whenever
>"now" is). Some of the expected future ones may not materialize in the
>near future; others we don't yet know may appear. But note that we
>have never developed a working philosophy of the amount of our assets we
should spend/yr. That is another issue for separate discussion.
>
>
> So, at the moment, we have no stated opposition to the idea of
making
>a grant, and we have before us a range of $30-40k. Please comment and/or
>be ready to vote by tomorrow (Friday). We need to make a decision on
>this application.
>
> 73, Glenn, W6OTC
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ncdxf-bod-sub [mailto:ncdxf-bod-sub-bounces at kkn.net] On Behalf Of
>Don Greenbaum
>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:24 PM
>To: ncdxf-bod-sub at kkn.net
>Subject: Re: [Ncdxf-bod-sub] Navassa Island DXpedtion revised budget
>and letter of explanation...
>
>As I wrote earlier this month, the budget spreadsheet either totally
>misrepresents the income they can expect from this expedition or it
>reflects that it is not rare enough in North America to generate the
>QSL/donation responses one would expect from a top 5 needed entity. As
>our studies have shown, expeditions today get the bulk of their income from
>North America. This is based on both club and foundation funding (NCDXF
>is a major part of this portion of fundraising) and US hams typically give
>more donation $ with their OQRS requests. The demand in Asia and Europe
>far outstrips the demand in the US. Why must the US finance the bulk of
>this operation if the entity is not as rare here? Even so, this group
>of
>15 should make a minimum of 150,000 QSOs given the proximity to NA and EU.
>
> From your Treasurer's point of view, so far this year we have taken
>in around $70,000 in donations (95% North America). We have given out
>so far $30,500. In the next year, we have expeditions to the South
>Atlantic, Heard, Bouvet, and several more rumored in the Pacific. If
>we finance a Caribbean expedition to the tune of $40,000 or more what
>should the hard to get to places expect next year? What can we afford
>to give the hard to reach destination DXpeditions.
>
>This is a DXpedition in our back yard. Fish and Wildlife specified a
>Helicopter must be kept on emergency standby, not that a Helicopter
>must make all the trips to the Island. The helicopter transportation
>is not the cheapest route, but the fastest and easiest. I am happy to
>see the team is putting up a bigger chunk of money than originally stated
and raised their
>contributions to $10,000 each. By the way, even at $10,000 their share of
>the total costs is less than the total budget % than other
>mega-expeditions. It scares me that KP1 is a mega-expedition. Just last
>week a member of the team to KP1 who is also a board member here mentioned
>the 2.5X rule for funding. That would make our contribution on that
>formula $25,000.
>
>While we can also expect that if there is a surplus (as almost all of
>K4UEEs trips generate) KP1 will probably see a refund. However, we have
>never gotten a full accounting of past K4UEE finances and we have no
>idea if the refunds Bob makes are based on a formula. Does our
>Foundation get back the same percentage as other Foundations, team
>members, etc. This lack of transparency has always bothered some of the
Board.
>
>I would like to suggest a grant of $30,000 and if we are wrong in our
>analysis, they can always ask for more when they return.
>
>Don
>N1DG
>
>
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