[Cwo] 2014 CW Open

Mon Sep 9 04:22:25 PDT 2013

Please forgive me in advance...we have some facts concerning the AUG-SEP 2014 calendar (i.e NA Sprint CW, first Sat night following first monday in SEP) and we have several unknowns.  

The dates of the various related QSO parties are not yet cast and it would be nice to know them.  In fact, the date of the 2014 CW Open will influence their thinking.  Based on logs submitted in previous years and this year's experience with CO, state QSO parties will have a measurable impact on us, which we can quantify.

As stated in my earlier email, YODX is always planned for the last weekend in AUG, but not in 2013, which suggests that the date for YODX 2014 is an unknown.  Perhaps Bruce has YODX in the perpetual calendar as the last weekend in AUG, and perhaps the YODX folks are thinking otherwise for 2014.  Perhaps they'd be more than happy to move to 23 AUG if they have already chosen 30 AUG.  As far as I know, we have not communicated with them and we don't know the precise date of YODX 2014.  

In addition, and I tried to find it...we don't know the date of JA Ham Fair 2014.  This date impacts our thinking and ability to grow JA participation.

Regarding being adjacent to the NA Sprint CW, I will do a quick analysis on that to see who operates in both.  Based on those facts, we might decide to poll them.

I'd be happy to have a phone call etc to discuss/vote, but not before we generate more facts concerning the 2014 calendar.  

73, Dean, NW2K

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On Sun, 9/8/13, Rob K6RB <k6rb at baymoon.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Cwo] 2014 CW Open
 To: cwo at kkn.net
 Cc: "Jim Talens" <jtalens at verizon.net>, "'Peter Chamalian W1RM'" <w1rm at comcast.net>, "'D Faklis'" <dfaklis at yahoo.com>
 Date: Sunday, September 8, 2013, 8:17 PM

 #yiv2010491642 

 Rather than screwing around with email messages, can we
 all get together on 
 an OOVOO or Skype conference call and discuss this? Let’s
 confine the discussion 
 to the pros and cons of Aug 23, Aug 30, or Sep 6...and
 let’s try to reach a 
 consensus before we hang up. That way, we can begin an
 advertising campaign and 
 orchestrate a promotion campaign with enough time to do it
 right. Also, we 
 should try to reach consensus on awards modifications. I’m
 suggesting glass 
 trophies for top score in regions 1, 2 and 3 plus aggregate
 (10 trophies); and 
 plaques for best session score in HP, LP and QRP categories
 in regions 1, 2 and 
 3 (9 plaques). If we can get a consensus on that, we can run
 it by ICOM to see 
 how much of it they would be willing to sponsor (hopefully
 all of it). I think 
 if we tell them that we will be placing ads in US, EU and AS
 for the event that 
 includes reference to ICOM as the awards sponsor, they might
 go for the whole 
 ball of wax.

 From: k6rb at baymoon.com

 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:59 PM
 To: k6rb at baymoon.com

 Cc: Jim Talens ; k6rb at baymoon.com ;
 'Peter Chamalian
 W1RM' ; 'D Faklis'

 Subject: RE: [Cwo] 2014 CW
 Open

 Correction: 
 NA Sprint is from 0000 to 0400Z on Sep 7. So, there is no
 one hour break - but 
 the two do not conflict! The other event is All Asian Phone
 contest. I'm willing 
 to risk that conflict.
 Rob 
 K6RB

 Jim,
 I'm 
 not talking about NCCC Sprint - that's on Thursday
 nights. I'm talking about the 
 NCJ sanctioned NA Sprint - 4 hours from 0100 to 0500Z - on
 Sep. 7. Our event 
 would end at 2400 Sep 6. NA Sprint attracts a lot of big
 players - W1WEF, K4BAI, 
 etc. - so if we conflicted with it, we'd lose! But, we
 don't conflict. We may 
 see some of the players bail before the full 4 hours of
 session 3, but NA Sprint 
 should not affect sessions 1 and 2 at all.
 Rob 
 K6RB

 As 
 long as itâ€™s not in conflict with YO Contest I am
 somewhat ambivalent.Â But in 
 choosing between butting against something like Northern
 California CC Sprint Â 
 (also with a straight key contest and the popular All Asian
 Phone contest) and 
 conflicting with a few â€œlesserâ€ state QSO parties
 (Ohio, Hawaii), I think 
 the latter choice is less damaging.Â Â The conflicts are
 relatively minimal on 
 August 23, it seems, though I am not sure what the NCCC
 Sprint Ladder means, 
 except itâ€™s seemingly monthly and not a major event
 like NCCC Sprint.Â There 
 are presumably many who like the NCCC Sprint and will
 enthusiastically take 
 part.Â The notion of then shifting to CWO seems unlikely to
 me.Â They will just 
 take a pass, for one if not all 3 CWO sessions.Â
 Itâ€™s already hard to gird for 
 3 sessions of CWO; orchestrating CWO and NA Sprint is a bit
 much to expect.Â I 
 think the path of less likely diminution of participation is
 August 
 23.

 From:
 k6rb at baymoon.com 
 [mailto:k6rb at baymoon.com] 
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:04 
 PM
 To: Peter Chamalian W1RM
 Cc: 'D Faklis'; 
 k6rb at baymoon.com; 'Jim Talens'
 Subject: RE: [Cwo] 2014 CW 
 Open

 The weekend of YO DX is Aug 30. The weekend of a bunch of
 state QSO parties 
 is Aug 23. In my experience, when there are multiple QSO
 parties, they all take 
 a hit (e.g. NEQP and 7 QP). Since CW Open is international,
 and state QSO 
 parties are national, I suspect that if CW Open were held on
 August 23 they only 
 issue might be QRM but not huge losses in activitiy -
 particularly because of 
 our 4-hour sessions.
 That said, September 6 backs up into NA Sprint but does
 not conflict with it. 
 Perhaps that would be our best option? It avoids conflicts
 with YO, the state 
 QSO parties, and any other international contest. Even NA
 Sprint is national. 
 And, I believe it starts at 0100Z, so an hour after session
 3.
 Now, I'm starting to lean toward September 6. Any
 comments?
 Rob K6RB

 > I think out of courtesy to those folks it would be a
 nice gesture to 
 alert 
 > them that we will be landing on that weekend. 
 > 
 > 

 > Pete, W1RM 
 > 
 > -----Original Message----- 
 > 

 From: D Faklis [mailto:dfaklis at yahoo.com]

 > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 1:52 PM 
 > To: Peter Chamalian 
 W1RM; k6rb at baymoon.com 
 > Cc: 
 'Jim Talens'; k6rb at baymoon.com 
 > 
 Subject: RE: [Cwo] 2014 CW Open 
 > 
 >>From the YODX website: 
 Received logs - 5 Sep. 2013 11:00 UTC (936 logs 
 >> received) Here are 
 the results for 2012 YODX: 
 >> http://www.yodx.ro/en/results2012 
 > 
 > It's 
 important to note that YODX is CW and SSB. Exchange has
 similarity 
 > to 
 ours, RST and S/N for non-YO. It's typically on the last
 full weekend 
 > 
 in August. Here is the email address of their contest
 manager: 
 > 
 > 
 Mr. Ovidiu Orza YO2DFA yo2dfa at yahoo.com 
 > 

 > Other Data: OHQP (2012, 248 entries) , COQP (2012, 183
 entries), KSQP 

 > (2013, 193 logs received so far since 24 AUG), and HIQP
 (2012, 170 

 > entries). 
 > 
 > CO contest ops told me ahead of time that 
 they would not operate the CW 
 > Open this year; instead they operated the 
 COQP. A guess is that active 
 > ops in OH, CO, KS, and HI would operate in 
 their state QSO party. 
 > 
 > Should we communicate/coordinate with 
 these folks before voting? 
 > 
 > Thanks, 73, Dean, NW2K 
 > 

 > 
 > 
 > 
 > -------------------------------------------- 

 > On Sun, 9/8/13, k6rb at baymoon.com 
 k6rb at baymoon.com> wrote: 
 > 
 > Subject: RE: [Cwo] 2014 CW Open 

 > To: "Peter Chamalian W1RM"
 w1rm at comcast.net> 
 > Cc: "'Jim 
 Talens'" jtalens at verizon.net>, k6rb at baymoon.com,
 "'D Faklis'" 

 > dfaklis at yahoo.com> 
 > Date: Sunday, September 8, 2013, 1:05 PM 

 > 
 > 
 > #yiv1067678155 
 > 
 > 
 > So far we 
 have 2 votes for Aug 23 and 1 vote for Aug 30. Can we get 
 > some more 
 inputs before we close the book on this? I am willing to 
 > change my vote 
 to Aug 23. My primary reason for Aug 30 is that it is 
 > closest to the 
 last date. I am also asking Atsu to check when the next 
 > Tokyo Ham Fair 
 is scheduled. It would probably be good to avoid doing on 
 > that same 
 Saturday. 
 > Had a nice ragchew QSO with Atsu, 
 > yesterday, and he 
 said that the 
 > number of logs submitted by JAs is well below the
 number 
 he heard and 
 > worked. So, we may have a problem with getting them to 
 submit logs. 
 > Perhaps, once we offer glass trophies to winners in 
 Regions 1, 2 and 3, 
 > it will encourage more submissions. 
 > Rob 
 K6RB 
 > 
 > I vote for Aug 23. 
 > 
 > Competing with the 
 YO event will cost us lots of EU/UA participation, 
 > especially in the 
 20-00z session where I had the most of them. 
 > 
 > How is it that we 
 didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t have this 
 > conflict this 
 > year? 
 > 
 > 

 > 
 > Pete, W1RM 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 

 From: Jim Talens 
 > [mailto:jtalens at verizon.net]

 > 
 > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 12:09 PM 
 > 
 > 
 To: k6rb at baymoon.com 
 > 

 > Cc: 'D Faklis'; 'Peter Chamalian' 
 > 
 > Subject: RE: [Cwo] 
 2014 CW Open 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > I vote for August 23, August 
 30, and Sept. 
 > 6, in that 
 > order. 
 > 
 > Jim, N3JT 

 > 
 > 
 From: k6rb at baymoon.com [mailto:k6rb at baymoon.com]

 > 
 > 
 > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 11:56 AM 
 > 

 > To: Jim Talens 
 > 
 > Cc: k6rb at baymoon.com; 
 > 'D 

 > Faklis'; 'Peter Chamalian' 
 > 
 > Subject: RE: [Cwo] 2014 CW 
 Open 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > Okay, so here are 
 > some 
 options: 
 > 
 > Sept 6. 
 > conflict NA Sprint after session 3 - 
 likely to lose session 
 > 3 
 > participants 
 > Aug 30 
 > 
 conflict 
 > with YO DX (4 hour overlap) - may lose some east coast 
 participation 
 > and EU participation during that conflict 
 > Aug 23 

 > conflict 
 > with OH and HI QSO parties (KS?) - may lose some 
 participation 
 > 
 > Can we get some 
 > other comments, here? I 
 vote 
 > for Aug 30, Aug23, then Sep 6 in that order. 
 > Rob K6RB 

 > 
 > 
 > 
 > Okay, forget February! That was noted in the 
 context of another 
 > split-weekend. 
 > 
 > September 13. 
 Perfect date except FOC has a QSO party 00-24z that 
 > day!!!! I am 
 tempted to suggest it, but am still healing from the last 
 > encounter. 

 > 
 > August 23 may be a good option. 
 > 
 > 
 From: k6rb at baymoon.com [mailto:k6rb at baymoon.com]

 > 
 > 
 > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 9:52 PM 
 > 

 > To: Jim Talens 
 > 
 > Cc: k6rb at baymoon.com; 
 > 'D 

 > Faklis'; 'Peter Chamalian' 
 > 
 > Subject: RE: [Cwo] 2014 CW 
 Open 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > Where did February 
 enter this discussion? I must have missed it, I 
 > suppose, as an option 
 to August/September. 
 > 
 > And September 13? 
 > 
 > 

 From: k6rb at baymoon.com [mailto:k6rb at baymoon.com]

 > 
 > 
 > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 4:32 PM 
 > 

 > To: Jim Talens 
 > 
 > Cc: k6rb at baymoon.com; 
 > 'D 

 > Faklis'; 'Peter Chamalian' 
 > 
 > Subject: RE: [Cwo] 2014 CW 
 Open 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > August 23: 
 > 
 > 
 > 

 > 
 > Hawaii QSO Party 
 > 
 > 
 > 0700Z, Aug 23 to 
 2200Z, Aug 
 > 24 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > + 
 > 
 Ohio QSO Party 
 > 
 > 
 > 1600Z, Aug 23 to 0400Z, Aug 
 > 
 24 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > Choosing between August 23 and 
 the February split weekend, I would opt 
 > for August 23. 
 > Rob 
 K6RB 
 > 
 > That 4 hour overlap may not be an issue on the West
 Coast 
 but it may be 
 > more serious on the East Coast. 
 > 
 > The 
 13th weekend is worse than 
 > either current alternative 
 > and 
 ditto for the August 23rd weekend? 
 > 
 > 
 From: k6rb at baymoon.com [mailto:k6rb at baymoon.com]

 > 
 > 
 > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 4:15 PM 
 > 

 > To: Jim Talens 
 > 
 > Cc: 'D Faklis'; K6rb; 'Peter 
 > 
 Chamalian' 
 > 
 > Subject: RE: [Cwo] 2014 CW Open 
 > 
 > I 
 think given the choices, we're better off with August
 30. I know we 
 > 
 will lose a lot of players to the Sprint on Sep. 6, not
 because they 
 > 
 conflict, but because it would mean an uninterrupted 8 hours
 of 
 > 
 operation if they do the last session. 
 > I'm not sure that a 4-hour 
 collision with YO DX would do us as much 
 > harm. 
 > Some comments 
 from others? If we lock in a date, soon, we can plan a 
 > low-cost ad in 
 QST along with other international promotions. The only 
 > split weekend 
 in 2014 is in February, I think. That's too long to
 wait. 
 > Rob K6RB 

 > 
 > 
 > > Wait just a bit, please, Dean. 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > > I don't have the earlier messages about this
 but I 
 remember that the 
 > 
 > 
 > > August 
 > 
 > > 
 30 weekend collides with the YO-contest whereas the next
 weekend has 
 > 

 > 
 > > several 
 > 
 > > collisions. I don't recall 
 which was worse. I note that the YO 
 > contest 
 > 
 > > is 

 > 
 > > a pretty sizeable deal and is 12z-12z August
 30-31, 2014. 
 If our CWO 
 > is 
 > 
 > > August 29 00-04z, August 30 
 12-16z, August 30 20-24z. 
 > then it looks 
 > like 4 
 > 

 > > hours of overlap., during peak EU-East Coast skip
 hours. The next 

 > 
 > > weekend 
 > 
 > > is a Sprint but what else? 

 > 
 > > 
 > 
 > > JIm 
 > 
 > > 

 > 
 > > -----Original Message----- 
 > 
 > > 

 > 
 > 
 From: cwo-bounces at kkn.net

 > 
 [mailto:cwo-bounces at kkn.net]

 > On 
 > Behalf Of D 
 > 
 > > Faklis 
 > 
 > 
 > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 3:17 PM 
 > 
 > > To: cwo at kkn.net 
 > 
 > > Subject: [Cwo] 2014 CW Open 

 > 
 > > 
 > 
 > > All, Rob suggested 30 AUG 2014 for 
 the next CW Open. 
 > Should I reserve 
 > 
 > 
 > > that 

 > 
 > > date? Same session times? Thanks, Dean 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > > 
 > 
 > > 
 > 
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 > 

 > 
 > Alan, AD6E, suggested looking for another split
 weekend. In 
 2014, 
 > there's one in May (too early) and in Feb 2015,
 there's one (too 
 late). 
 > 
 > 
 > I think by precedent we should stay with 
 August/September time frame. 
 > August 23 has us banging into two state 
 QSO parties (Hawaii, Ohio and 
 > possibly Kansas). Aug 30 has us banging 
 into (for only 4 overlapping 
 > hours) the YO DX thing. So only one 
 session is at risk. 
 > Going to Sep 6 we 
 > run into NA Sprint which 
 will heavily impact session 3. 
 > 
 > 
 > We don't have any 
 perfect 
 > solution. 
 > 
 > 
 > Rob K6RB 
 > 
 > 

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