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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoPlainText">Perhaps the attachment didn't go through. Here you go...</p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText">I added our tractor and hauling capabilities just now…</p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="652" style="width:489.0pt;margin-left:.05pt;border-collapse:collapse"><tr style="height:28.5pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:28.5pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><u><span style="color:black">Service Type</span></u></b></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:28.5pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><u><span style="color:black"> Employee Hourly Rate </span></u></b></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:28.5pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><u><span style="color:black"> Client Cost Per Hour 48% </span></u></b></p></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Vineyard Worker 1</span></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 16.00 </span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 23.68 </span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Vineyard Worker 2</span></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 17.00 </span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 25.16 </span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Vineyard Worker 3</span></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 18.00 </span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 26.64 </span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Vineyard Worker 4</span></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 19.00 </span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 28.12 </span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Tractor Operator 1</span></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 18.00 </span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 26.64 </span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Tractor Operator 2</span></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 19.00 </span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 28.12 </span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Tractor Operator 3</span></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 20.00 </span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 29.60 </span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Supervisor</span></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 21.00 </span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 31.08 </span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Vineyard Manager</span></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 36.00 </span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 53.28 </span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Class A Driver 1</span></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 28.00 </span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 41.44 </span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Class A Driver 2</span></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 35.00 </span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 51.80 </span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"></td></tr><tr style="height:42.75pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:42.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">Total Labor Markup (Includes, WCI, General Liability Insurance, taxes & margin)</span></b></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:42.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="right" style="text-align:right"><b><span style="color:black">48.00%</span></b></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:42.75pt"></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">Additional Services</span></b></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Rentals</span></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="color:black">20%</span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Purchases</span></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="right" style="text-align:right"><span style="color:black">15%</span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hauling and delivery (Ram 3500 & trailer)</span></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 150.00 </span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"></td></tr><tr style="height:14.25pt"><td width="308" valign="bottom" style="width:231.0pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Landini Trekker Tractor</span></p></td><td width="164" valign="bottom" style="width:123.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> $ 85.00 </span></p></td><td width="180" valign="bottom" style="width:135.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:14.25pt"></td></tr></table><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="ES-CL">Joaquin Casanueva</span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="ES-CL">Alesia Viticulture Services</span></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="ES-CL">License #FLC000234272</span></p><p class="MsoPlainText">650-333-5490 cell</p><p class="MsoPlainText">650-899-1558 fax</p><p class="MsoPlainText">7620 Alpine Road</p><p class="MsoPlainText">La Honda, CA 94020</p><p class="MsoPlainText"><a href="http://www.alesiavs.com">www.alesiavs.com</a></p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>From: Joaquin Casanueva <<a href="mailto:joaquin@alesiavs.com">joaquin@alesiavs.com</a>> <br>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 11:14 AM<br>To: Wagner, Peter <<a href="mailto:pdwagner@ucsd.edu">pdwagner@ucsd.edu</a>>; <a href="mailto:VASCM@kkn.net">VASCM@kkn.net</a><br>Cc: Joaquin Casanueva <<a href="mailto:joaquin@alesiavs.com">joaquin@alesiavs.com</a>><br>Subject: RE: VASCM: pickers for upcoming harvest??</p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText">Hi Peter - We are not inexpensive, however, I have a crew of 28 pickers based out of La Honda. And I've got smaller crews in Watsonville and Navarro.</p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText">We provide services on a first come first serve basis with priority falling to our year around customers.</p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText">With that said, if we have the people available, we're happy to help.</p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText">Our price list is attached.</p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText">-Joaquin</p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText">Joaquin Casanueva</p><p class="MsoPlainText">Alesia Viticulture Services</p><p class="MsoPlainText">License #FLC000234272</p><p class="MsoPlainText">650-333-5490 cell</p><p class="MsoPlainText">650-899-1558 fax</p><p class="MsoPlainText">7620 Alpine Road</p><p class="MsoPlainText">La Honda, CA 94020</p><p class="MsoPlainText"><a href="http://www.alesiavs.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">www.alesiavs.com</span></a></p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----</p><p class="MsoPlainText">From: VASCM <<a href="mailto:vascm-bounces@lists.kkn.net"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">vascm-bounces@lists.kkn.net</span></a>> On Behalf Of Wagner, Peter</p><p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 10:18 AM</p><p class="MsoPlainText">To: <a href="mailto:VASCM@kkn.net"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">VASCM@kkn.net</span></a></p><p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: VASCM: pickers for upcoming harvest??</p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText">Hi all: (Hope we have the right email to reach you all)</p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText">Seems this year we are having more trouble finding people to help pick grapes, especially since due to the crazy weather it is hard to pin down the days until close to harvest.</p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText">Any suggestions for recruiting a few pickers for this weekend Sat/Sun Sep 21/22, and possibly for the ensuing week? We know of Elkhorn, but their overhead rates make them very expensive.</p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText">One thought is to help each other pick assuming we don't all pick the same day!</p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText">Peter & Harrieth Wagner 9/18/19</p><p class="MsoPlainText">Ormsby Trail Vineyard</p><p class="MsoPlainText">1300 Ormsby Cutoff</p><p class="MsoPlainText">Watsonville CA 95076</p><p class="MsoPlainText">858-888-5856</p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText">_______________________________________________</p><p class="MsoPlainText">VASCM mailing list (<a href="http://www.kkn.net/mailman/listinfo/vascm"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">http://www.kkn.net/mailman/listinfo/vascm</span></a>)</p><p class="MsoPlainText">Post to: <a href="mailto:vascm@kkn.net"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">vascm@kkn.net</span></a></p><p class="MsoPlainText">To make sure your messages get posted:</p><p class="MsoPlainText">- Use the email address with which you are subscribed.</p><p class="MsoPlainText">- Do not exceed the size limit for messages of 1MB. Reduce photo sizes.</p><p class="MsoPlainText"> </p><p class="MsoPlainText">Manage your subscription at: <a href="http://www.kkn.net/mailman/options/vascm"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">http://www.kkn.net/mailman/options/vascm</span></a></p><p class="MsoPlainText">Archives at: <a href="http://www.kkn.net/mailman/private/vascm/"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">http://www.kkn.net/mailman/private/vascm/</span></a></p></div></body></html>