[FQP] What Category ??

[Jeff Clarke]

Hi Tim,


The plan would be to attach the mast to a crossbar that would attached to
the luggage rack (to hold it vertical) This would only be attached when we
are stopped. When we were ready to move to the next county it would be
disassembled and setup again.

I seem to remember there was both a rover and mobile class in the MQP and
OQP. AD8J used to do that rover class every year when we lived up in PA. 
After reading the rules FQP doesn't appear to have a "rover" class just
mobile.


Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: fqp-bounces at kkn.net [mailto:fqp-bounces at kkn.net] On Behalf Of K9TM
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 11:46 PM
To: fqp at kkn.net
Subject: Re: [FQP] What Category ??

>If you remain in the same county,  it would be the same as being fixed.

Remaining in the same county does not imply fixed station, it only implies
that you only operated from one county. It is possible to operate a mobile
station from only one category.  If I hop in my vehicle that has a power
source, a radio powered by the vehicle power source and an antenna attached
to the vehicle (hamstick, screwdriver, whatever) and work people while
driving around in my county or in my driveway (not moving), then I'm in the
mobile category.  I'm using a radio, power source and antenna that is all
attached to my vehicle ("self contained") and "capable of motion, motion
optional" .

>It would seem to me that logically if you are operating in more than one
county,  you are some sort of mobile.

Operating from different stations or different locations does not imply
mobile.  It indicates operating from different locations/stations.  If Jeff
puts up a portable fiberglass mast with a dipole and the entire station
(power source, rig, antenna) is not "capable of motion" and "self
contained", then he is not a mobile... in FQP he appears to be fixed.  Given
Jeff is doing this with John and John is going to op too, then they are
multi-op.  The only question is multi-single or multi-multi.

Other contests have a category called rover (or something similar) that
allow these fixed operations from multiple locations to be joined together
into one score.  FQP appears to not have such a category and thus Jeff's
operations would be separate multi-op scores.

Actually after further reading of the FQP rules... rule 7 Scoring, B
Multipliers, 2 "Florida mobile stations that change counties are considered
to be a new station and may be contacted again for point and multiplier
credit".  Rule 9 D also supports this mobile only rule.

The fact that this says "Florida MOBILE stations...", implies that Jeff can
not setup in different counties and give out QSO's using the same call.
He's not a mobile.

I didn't see a rule for a station only being used under one callsign as most
contests have.  That being the case, it seems that if Jeff wants to do this,
they need a new callsign for each county they wish to activate.

Of course Jeff already indicated they weren't trying to compete in any given
category, they just want to have fun... therefore, the rules don't matter
for his end.  The question for the FQP committee would be if Jeff used the
same call in multiple counties what does the FQP log checking process do
with this info for the people who worked them in multiple counties?  Do they
only get credit for one county?  If so, is it the first county they work?

The FQP committee really needs to rule on this but based on the published
rules, the above is based on the letter of the published rules.  Only the
FQP committee can say what the intent is of the published rules.

73, Tim K9TM
WCF, Charlotte County FL, EL86
OH, Lucas County OH, EN81
VI, n/a, FK77 - KP2TM

On Apr 4, 2012, at 10:58 PM, K0LUZ wrote:

It would seem to me that logically if you are operating in more than one
county,  you are some sort of mobile.  If you remain in the same county,  it
would be the same as being fixed.

73
Red K0LUZ

-----Original Message-----
From: fqp-bounces at kkn.net [mailto:fqp-bounces at kkn.net] On Behalf Of K9TM
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:52 PM
To: fqp at kkn.net
Subject: Re: [FQP] What Category ??

> From the FQP rules page...
(D) Mobile. Mobile is a station that is self-contained (radio, antenna,
power source) capable of motion. Motion is optional.

We have similar wording for mobiles in OhQP and MiQP and we would not
consider antennas setup anywhere other than on the vehicle as
"self-contained" or "capable of motion".  While a 25' mast mounted to a
vehicle may be "capable of motion", it is likely not a viable mobile
solution.  By "capable of motion", this implies antenna not tied to trees,
ground or other non mobile supports.

Jeff wrote "I have a 25 foot fiberglass mast and I was thinking about us
driving to several counties and throw up a dipole on that mast, operate
awhile and move to another county.".
If the fiberglass mast were somehow affixed to the vehicle along with the
dipole and the vehicle was "capable of motion" with the antenna erected,
that seems to fit the mobile description.  I'm guessing that since Jeff is
not able to put a mag mounted hamstick on the vehicle, he isn't going to
have the fiberglass mast mounted to the vehicle?  Let alone have the dipole
mounted to the mast at 25' on the vehicle and be "capable of motion"?  Seems
like you'd hit a lot of stuff with a 25' mast attached to a vehicle (like
all those 13' bridges, powerlines, tree limbs).

If the thought is to setup a portable mast and dipole in different counties
and given that FQP has no rover category, this operation would appear to be
a string of separate multi-op efforts for each county activated.  Kinda like
the K8MR multi-station SS efforts, it's not a category but he has fun doing
it.

Of course what category this is for FQP, is up to the FQP committee.

73, Tim K9TM
WCF, Charlotte County FL, EL86
OH, Lucas County OH, EN81
VI, n/a, FK77 - KP2TM

On Apr 4, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Ron Wetjen wrote:

On 4/3/2012 8:27 PM, Jeff Clarke wrote:

> I'm trying to figure out what class we would be in. After reading  the 
> FQP rules there doesn't appear to a "rover" class. What class would we 
> claim if we did this ?  Would we just be a check log ? We don't care 
> if we win anything. We are just want to join in the fun by being in 
> Florida.. I don't think we could enter the mobile class since we can't 
> operate and drive with our antennas at the same time.

You're still considered a mobile, since the station is still self contained
(you're schlepping everything with you) ... motion is optional.

As Bob suggested, use a trailer.  That's exactly what a few of the other
mobile do/have done.

Ron
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