[Cwo] 2014 CW Open

Mon Sep 9 04:50:21 PDT 2013

Let me know when.

Pete, W1RM

From: Rob K6RB [mailto:k6rb at baymoon.com] 
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 8:18 PM
To: cwo at kkn.net
Cc: Jim Talens; 'Peter Chamalian W1RM'; 'D Faklis'
Subject: Re: [Cwo] 2014 CW Open

Rather than screwing around with email messages, can we all get together on an OOVOO or Skype conference call and discuss this? Let’s confine the discussion to the pros and cons of Aug 23, Aug 30, or Sep 6...and let’s try to reach a consensus before we hang up. That way, we can begin an advertising campaign and orchestrate a promotion campaign with enough time to do it right. Also, we should try to reach consensus on awards modifications. I’m suggesting glass trophies for top score in regions 1, 2 and 3 plus aggregate (10 trophies); and plaques for best session score in HP, LP and QRP categories in regions 1, 2 and 3 (9 plaques). If we can get a consensus on that, we can run it by ICOM to see how much of it they would be willing to sponsor (hopefully all of it). I think if we tell them that we will be placing ads in US, EU and AS for the event that includes reference to ICOM as the awards sponsor, they might go for the whole ball of wax.

From: k6rb at baymoon.com 

Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:59 PM

To: k6rb at baymoon.com 

Cc: Jim Talens <mailto:jtalens at verizon.net>  ; k6rb at baymoon.com ; 'Peter Chamalian W1RM' <mailto:w1rm at comcast.net>  ; 'D Faklis' <mailto:dfaklis at yahoo.com>  

Subject: RE: [Cwo] 2014 CW Open

Correction: NA Sprint is from 0000 to 0400Z on Sep 7. So, there is no one hour break - but the two do not conflict! The other event is All Asian Phone contest. I'm willing to risk that conflict.

Rob K6RB

Jim,

I'm not talking about NCCC Sprint - that's on Thursday nights. I'm talking about the NCJ sanctioned NA Sprint - 4 hours from 0100 to 0500Z - on Sep. 7. Our event would end at 2400 Sep 6. NA Sprint attracts a lot of big players - W1WEF, K4BAI, etc. - so if we conflicted with it, we'd lose! But, we don't conflict. We may see some of the players bail before the full 4 hours of session 3, but NA Sprint should not affect sessions 1 and 2 at all.

Rob K6RB

As long as itâ€™s not in conflict with YO Contest I am somewhat ambivalent.Â But in choosing between butting against something like Northern California CC Sprint Â (also with a straight key contest and the popular All Asian Phone contest) and conflicting with a few â€œlesserâ€ state QSO parties (Ohio, Hawaii), I think the latter choice is less damaging.Â Â The conflicts are relatively minimal on August 23, it seems, though I am not sure what the NCCC Sprint Ladder means, except itâ€™s seemingly monthly and not a major event like NCCC Sprint.Â There are presumably many who like the NCCC Sprint and will enthusiastically take part.Â The notion of then shifting to CWO seems unlikely to me.Â They will just take a pass, for one if not all 3 CWO sessions.Â Itâ€™s already hard to gird for 3 sessions of CWO; orchestrating CWO and NA Sprint is a bit much to expect.Â I think the path of less likely diminution of participation is August 23.

From: k6rb at baymoon.com [mailto:k6rb at baymoon.com] 
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:04 PM
To: Peter Chamalian W1RM
Cc: 'D Faklis'; k6rb at baymoon.com; 'Jim Talens'
Subject: RE: [Cwo] 2014 CW Open

The weekend of YO DX is Aug 30. The weekend of a bunch of state QSO parties is Aug 23. In my experience, when there are multiple QSO parties, they all take a hit (e.g. NEQP and 7 QP). Since CW Open is international, and state QSO parties are national, I suspect that if CW Open were held on August 23 they only issue might be QRM but not huge losses in activitiy - particularly because of our 4-hour sessions.

That said, September 6 backs up into NA Sprint but does not conflict with it. Perhaps that would be our best option? It avoids conflicts with YO, the state QSO parties, and any other international contest. Even NA Sprint is national. And, I believe it starts at 0100Z, so an hour after session 3.

Now, I'm starting to lean toward September 6. Any comments?

Rob K6RB

> I think out of courtesy to those folks it would be a nice gesture to alert 
> them that we will be landing on that weekend. 
> 
> 
> Pete, W1RM 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> 
From: D Faklis [mailto:dfaklis at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 1:52 PM 
> To: Peter Chamalian W1RM; k6rb at baymoon.com 
> Cc: 'Jim Talens'; k6rb at baymoon.com 
> Subject: RE: [Cwo] 2014 CW Open 
> 
>>From the YODX website: Received logs - 5 Sep. 2013 11:00 UTC (936 logs 
>> received) Here are the results for 2012 YODX: 
>> http://www.yodx.ro/en/results2012 
> 
> It's important to note that YODX is CW and SSB. Exchange has similarity 
> to ours, RST and S/N for non-YO. It's typically on the last full weekend 
> in August. Here is the email address of their contest manager: 
> 
> Mr. Ovidiu Orza YO2DFA yo2dfa at yahoo.com 
> 
> Other Data: OHQP (2012, 248 entries) , COQP (2012, 183 entries), KSQP 
> (2013, 193 logs received so far since 24 AUG), and HIQP (2012, 170 
> entries). 
> 
> CO contest ops told me ahead of time that they would not operate the CW 
> Open this year; instead they operated the COQP. A guess is that active 
> ops in OH, CO, KS, and HI would operate in their state QSO party. 
> 
> Should we communicate/coordinate with these folks before voting? 
> 
> Thanks, 73, Dean, NW2K 
> 
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> On Sun, 9/8/13, k6rb at baymoon.com k6rb at baymoon.com> wrote: 
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> Subject: RE: [Cwo] 2014 CW Open 
> To: "Peter Chamalian W1RM" w1rm at comcast.net> 
> Cc: "'Jim Talens'" jtalens at verizon.net>, k6rb at baymoon.com, "'D Faklis'" 
> dfaklis at yahoo.com> 
> Date: Sunday, September 8, 2013, 1:05 PM 
> 
> 
> #yiv1067678155 
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> 
> So far we have 2 votes for Aug 23 and 1 vote for Aug 30. Can we get 
> some more inputs before we close the book on this? I am willing to 
> change my vote to Aug 23. My primary reason for Aug 30 is that it is 
> closest to the last date. I am also asking Atsu to check when the next 
> Tokyo Ham Fair is scheduled. It would probably be good to avoid doing on 
> that same Saturday. 
> Had a nice ragchew QSO with Atsu, 
> yesterday, and he said that the 
> number of logs submitted by JAs is well below the number he heard and 
> worked. So, we may have a problem with getting them to submit logs. 
> Perhaps, once we offer glass trophies to winners in Regions 1, 2 and 3, 
> it will encourage more submissions. 
> Rob K6RB 
> 
> I vote for Aug 23. 
> 
> Competing with the YO event will cost us lots of EU/UA participation, 
> especially in the 20-00z session where I had the most of them. 
> 
> How is it that we didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t have this 
> conflict this 
> year? 
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> 
> 
> Pete, W1RM 
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From: Jim Talens 
> [mailto:jtalens at verizon.net] 
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> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 12:09 PM 
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> To: k6rb at baymoon.com 
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> Cc: 'D Faklis'; 'Peter Chamalian' 
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> Subject: RE: [Cwo] 2014 CW Open 
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> 
> I vote for August 23, August 30, and Sept. 
> 6, in that 
> order. 
> 
> Jim, N3JT 
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From: k6rb at baymoon.com [mailto:k6rb at baymoon.com] 
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> 
> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 11:56 AM 
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> To: Jim Talens 
> 
> Cc: k6rb at baymoon.com; 
> 'D 
> Faklis'; 'Peter Chamalian' 
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> Subject: RE: [Cwo] 2014 CW Open 
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> 
> Okay, so here are 
> some options: 
> 
> Sept 6. 
> conflict NA Sprint after session 3 - likely to lose session 
> 3 
> participants 
> Aug 30 
> conflict 
> with YO DX (4 hour overlap) - may lose some east coast participation 
> and EU participation during that conflict 
> Aug 23 
> conflict 
> with OH and HI QSO parties (KS?) - may lose some participation 
> 
> Can we get some 
> other comments, here? I vote 
> for Aug 30, Aug23, then Sep 6 in that order. 
> Rob K6RB 
> 
> 
> 
> Okay, forget February! That was noted in the context of another 
> split-weekend. 
> 
> September 13. Perfect date except FOC has a QSO party 00-24z that 
> day!!!! I am tempted to suggest it, but am still healing from the last 
> encounter. 
> 
> August 23 may be a good option. 
> 
> 
From: k6rb at baymoon.com [mailto:k6rb at baymoon.com] 
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> 
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 9:52 PM 
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> To: Jim Talens 
> 
> Cc: k6rb at baymoon.com; 
> 'D 
> Faklis'; 'Peter Chamalian' 
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> Subject: RE: [Cwo] 2014 CW Open 
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> Where did February enter this discussion? I must have missed it, I 
> suppose, as an option to August/September. 
> 
> And September 13? 
> 
> 
From: k6rb at baymoon.com [mailto:k6rb at baymoon.com] 
> 
> 
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 4:32 PM 
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> To: Jim Talens 
> 
> Cc: k6rb at baymoon.com; 
> 'D 
> Faklis'; 'Peter Chamalian' 
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> Subject: RE: [Cwo] 2014 CW Open 
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> 
> August 23: 
> 
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> 
> Hawaii QSO Party 
> 
> 
> 0700Z, Aug 23 to 2200Z, Aug 
> 24 
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> + 
> Ohio QSO Party 
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> 1600Z, Aug 23 to 0400Z, Aug 
> 24 
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> 
> Choosing between August 23 and the February split weekend, I would opt 
> for August 23. 
> Rob K6RB 
> 
> That 4 hour overlap may not be an issue on the West Coast but it may be 
> more serious on the East Coast. 
> 
> The 13th weekend is worse than 
> either current alternative 
> and ditto for the August 23rd weekend? 
> 
> 
From: k6rb at baymoon.com [mailto:k6rb at baymoon.com] 
> 
> 
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 4:15 PM 
> 
> To: Jim Talens 
> 
> Cc: 'D Faklis'; K6rb; 'Peter 
> Chamalian' 
> 
> Subject: RE: [Cwo] 2014 CW Open 
> 
> I think given the choices, we're better off with August 30. I know we 
> will lose a lot of players to the Sprint on Sep. 6, not because they 
> conflict, but because it would mean an uninterrupted 8 hours of 
> operation if they do the last session. 
> I'm not sure that a 4-hour collision with YO DX would do us as much 
> harm. 
> Some comments from others? If we lock in a date, soon, we can plan a 
> low-cost ad in QST along with other international promotions. The only 
> split weekend in 2014 is in February, I think. That's too long to wait. 
> Rob K6RB 
> 
> 
> > Wait just a bit, please, Dean. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > I don't have the earlier messages about this but I remember that the 
> 
> 
> > August 
> 
> > 30 weekend collides with the YO-contest whereas the next weekend has 
> 
> 
> > several 
> 
> > collisions. I don't recall which was worse. I note that the YO 
> contest 
> 
> > is 
> 
> > a pretty sizeable deal and is 12z-12z August 30-31, 2014. If our CWO 
> is 
> 
> > August 29 00-04z, August 30 12-16z, August 30 20-24z. 
> then it looks 
> like 4 
> 
> > hours of overlap., during peak EU-East Coast skip hours. The next 
> 
> > weekend 
> 
> > is a Sprint but what else? 
> 
> > 
> 
> > JIm 
> 
> > 
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> > -----Original Message----- 
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From: cwo-bounces at kkn.net 
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> On 
> Behalf Of D 
> 
> > Faklis 
> 
> > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 3:17 PM 
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> > To: cwo at kkn.net 
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> > Subject: [Cwo] 2014 CW Open 
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> > 
> 
> > All, Rob suggested 30 AUG 2014 for the next CW Open. 
> Should I reserve 
> 
> 
> > that 
> 
> > date? Same session times? Thanks, Dean 
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> Alan, AD6E, suggested looking for another split weekend. In 2014, 
> there's one in May (too early) and in Feb 2015, there's one (too late). 
> 
> 
> I think by precedent we should stay with August/September time frame. 
> August 23 has us banging into two state QSO parties (Hawaii, Ohio and 
> possibly Kansas). Aug 30 has us banging into (for only 4 overlapping 
> hours) the YO DX thing. So only one session is at risk. 
> Going to Sep 6 we 
> run into NA Sprint which will heavily impact session 3. 
> 
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> We don't have any perfect 
> solution. 
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> Rob K6RB 
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