[Cwo] Public Logs and LCRs

Marshall "Matt" Thomas, WX5S mmthoma at attglobal.net
Wed Nov 27 12:00:57 PST 2013


Hi!

If you guys are interested, this is what a CQP LCR looks like....

We report the reason(s) for any point reduction.
We also report if the other guy busts the call or if the Q was
logged on an incorrect band or mode (note that this can
actually increase the score as it did below). There are other things
that this does like a histogram of mults worked.

If there is a dupe, we take the highest scoring Q and consider
the other as the dupe, no matter which was "first". Since each
QSO: line represents just 1/2 of the 2-way Q. It is possible
for 2 stations to get credit for a different Q. I make a mistake
on our first Q. You make a mistake on our second Q. I get full
credit for the 2nd one and you get full credit for the first one.

There are other special things that can actually increase the score
in CQP!  You get 1/2 credit if there is only one error in the Q.
Turns out that if that one error was on the mult name, it gets corrected
and the actual mult gets awarded!  G4RRA gained the SBEN mult
as a result of log check! He got credit for 50 mults instead of the 49
that he claimed.

Weirdly enough, if you bust the callsign, that is only 1/2 credit deduction.
Our callsign matcher is, to my knowledge, the best there is.
It is more than N+1, it is N+1+ and can find callsign matches that a logging
program cannot, like W5ACB matches W5ABC or WD5AB matches
W5DAB and other situations. Sometimes this critter even surprises me!

Currently, the final results are extracted from the LCR's. That is the
LS: (line score) line which is in a CSV format. Basically the reporting
SW just greps the LS: lines from all LCR reports and that can be
used in a spreadsheet or whatever.

We are re-writing the CQP process for 2014.  Scoring CQP is
a complicated critter. CWO is a more "traditional" contest - hey
if there is an error, the Q doesn't count and that's it. Of course there
is only one mode, so this mode error stuff doesn't apply. However
there is the possibility of logging on the wrong band. I don't know
what you guys want to do about that. A requirements document,
that details your scoring rules and what you want to happen would
be helpful.

Anyway, although my focus is on CQP with all its weirdness, I am
hopeful that some subset of our features are applicable to CWO.
CWO will have to be a separate program, but hopefully the CQP
code can be adapted for CWO.

I have been spectacularly unsuccessful at getting access to the
CQ WW log check code. If somebody with better political skills
that I could take this on, that would be helpful. John, K6MM maybe?

73, Matt WX5S



--------------------------------------------------
G4RRA  QTH:DX
CQP LOG CHECKING RESULTS

QSO: 21000 CW 2011-10-01 1715 G4RRA       003 DX         W6SX         119 MONT
   Points were reduced because of: Err_qth=MONO
QSO: 21000 PH 2011-10-01 1728 G4RRA       011 DX         W6UE         162 LANG
   Points were reduced because of: Err_nr=0152
QSO: 21000 CW 2011-10-01 1831 G4RRA       046 DX         W6ZE         026 ORAN
   Points were reduced because of: Err_nr=036
QSO: 21000 CW 2011-10-01 1833 G4RRA       047 DX         KI6LZ        149 LANG
   Points were reduced because of: Err_qth=VENT
QSO: 21000 CW 2011-10-01 2005 G4RRA       079 DX         NK6A         390 LANG
   Points were reduced because of: Err_nr=0290
QSO: 21000 CW 2011-10-01 2008 G4RRA       080 DX         K6WC         140 SBER
   Points were reduced because of: Err_qth=SBEN
QSO: 21000 CW 2011-10-01 2022 G4RRA       085 DX         KF6T         379 PLAC
   Points were reduced because of: Err_nr=0389
QSO: 14000 CW 2011-10-01 2110 G4RRA       089 DX         K6RB         474 SCRU
   Points were reduced because of: Err_nr=0375
QSO: 14000 CW 2011-10-01 2126 G4RRA       092 DX         AA6PW        449 ORAN
   Points were reduced because of: Err_nr=0559
QSO: 21000 CW 2011-10-02 1827 G4RRA       109 DX         W6UE        1787 LANG
   Points were reduced because of: Err_nr=1797
QSO: 28000 CW 2011-10-02 1836 G4RRA       114 DX         K6GT         921 SCLA
   Points were reduced because of: Err_nr=0923
   Comment: G4RRA busted as G3RRA
QSO: 28000 CW 2011-10-02 1840 G4RRA       116 DX         NI6T        2043 TEHA
   Points were reduced because of: Err_nr=0421
QSO: 28000 CW 2011-10-02 1855 G4RRA       122 DX         AA6PW       1730 ORAN
   Points were reduced because of: Err_nr=1720
   Comment: G4RRA busted as G4RAA
QSO: 28000 CW 2011-10-02 1908 G4RRA       127 DX         W6YX        2570 SCLA
   Points were reduced because of: Err_nr=0257
QSO: 28000 CW 2011-10-02 1911 G4RRA       129 DX         W6OSP        741 NAPA
   Points were reduced because of: Err_nr=0841
QSO: 28000 PH 2011-10-02 1937 G4RRA       135 DX         N6O         1203 CCOS
   Full Credit was given for this QSO
   Comment: Should be 10m CW - no penalty
QSO: 21000 CW 2011-10-02 2013 G4RRA       145 DX         K6AQL        350 MONT
   Points were reduced because of: Err_nr=35
QSO: 21000 CW 2011-10-02 2015 G4RRA       147 DX         K6LA        2213 LANG
   Points were reduced because of: Err_nr=2312
QSO: 21000 CW 2011-10-02 2015 G4RRA       148 DX         NO6F        1705 SMAT
   Points were reduced because of: Err_nr=1805
QSO: 21000 PH 2011-10-02 2103 G4RRA       155 DX         KI6LZ       1398 LANG
   Points were reduced because of: Err_qth=VENT
QSO: 21000 PH 2011-10-02 2112 G4RRA       157 DX         N6PN         452 CCOS
   Full Credit was given for this QSO
   Comment: Should be 15m CW - no penalty
QSO: 21000 CW 2011-10-02 2117 G4RRA       159 DX         AC6YY        195 SCLA
   Points were reduced because of: Err_nr=0295
QSO: 14000 CW 2011-10-02 2159 G4RRA       178 DX         K6WC         796 SBER
   Points were reduced because of: Err_qth=SBEN

Summary:
G4RRA  QTH: DX

Before Log Checking:
  Total Raw QSO's:  178   CW: 102  PH: 76
  Claimed Mults:    49
  QSO Points Claimed: 458
  Claimed Score: 22442
After Log Checking:
  Duplicate QSO's: 0
  Total Valid (non-dupe) QSO's:  178
  CW QSO's: Full Credit: 83 Half-Credit: 19  No-credit (NIL or
Multiple Errors): 0
  PH QSO's: Full Credit: 74 Half-Credit: 2  No-credit (NIL or Multiple
Errors): 0
  Total QSO's verified in other logs or judged by humans: 169 or 95 percent
  Checked Mults:   50
  QSO Points granted: 427.5
  FINAL SCORE:  21375

Histogram shows the number of times each mult was worked for credit:

   3 ALAM    2 ALPI    4 AMAD    0 BUTT    3 CALA    6 CCOS    1 COLU    0 DELN
   9 ELDO    2 FRES    0 GLEN    0 HUMB    3 IMPE    5 INYO    0 KERN    2 KING
   1 LAKE   10 LANG    3 LASS    1 MADE    3 MARN    1 MARP    1 MEND    0 MERC
   3 MODO    2 MONO    2 MONT    2 NAPA    4 NEVA    7 ORAN    6 PLAC    1 PLUM
   1 RIVE    4 SACR    4 SBAR    2 SBEN    4 SBER   12 SCLA    7 SCRU   14 SDIE
   1 SFRA    1 SHAS    2 SIER    1 SISK    3 SJOA    5 SLUI    3 SMAT    2 SOLA
   8 SONO    0 STAN    1 SUTT    3 TEHA    1 TRIN    3 TULA    1 TUOL    5 VENT
   0 YOLO    3 YUBA
G4RRA
LS,G4RRA   , Version 2.2 - 2008 , 178 , 0 , 49 , 102 , 76 , 22442 ,169
, 0 , 19 , 0 , 2 , 50 , 21375 , DX , DX
---------------------------------------------------------------

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:54 PM, John Miller <webaron at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dean:
>
> Posting the Logs is EZ.  Just a list with links.
>
> LCRs requires more work:  Step 1) generating the LCR itself as a custom
> report and then Step 2) privately emailing the recipient, since each is a
> private report.
>
> For Step 1, we don't have the resources to automatically generate the LCRs
> but perhaps if you ask nicely, the WPX guys can share their software tools
> with us.  For Step 2, we just need manpower to send the emails out once the
> LCR reports are ready.
>
> 73,
> John, K6MM
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2013, at 10:47 AM, D Faklis wrote:
>
> Update:  I received comments from four:  K6RB, W6SX, WX5S, NW2K, all in
> support, if resources permit.
>
> John K6MM, can you tell us if we can do something like CQ WPX on our website
> (for 2014):
>
> Logs:  http://www.cqwpx.com/publiclogs/
> LCRs: http://www.cqwpx.com/lcr/
>
> If so, do we have the resources to do it?  If we are lacking, what is
> needed?
>
> All, any additional comments, please send. Thanks!
>
> 73, Dean, NW2K
>
>
> From: D Faklis <dfaklis at yahoo.com>
> To: "cwo at kkn.net" <cwo at kkn.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:57 PM
> Subject: Public Logs and LCRs
> In the spirit of education and continuous improvement, I would like to have
> a discussion on whether or not to make the CWO logs and LCRs public
> (available for download at the CWops website).
>
> As you know, CQ WW, CQ WPX, CQ WW RTTY, and perhaps other serious contests,
> make the logs (and in some cases LCRs) public.
>
> Please comment.  Thank you.
>
> 73, Dean, NW2K
>
>
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